Wednesday, December 21, 2005
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Man, this was pretty predictable.  You mean purely domestic calls were also intercepted by the NSA?  I know that's hard to believe because the President, Vice-President, Attorney General, Secretary of State, assorted US Senators, as well as various pundits and commentators have all said that no such thing could ever happen, and moreover we were assured that there are definite limits being imposed on this secret surveillance program....even though we don't know by whom. 

I guess we're gonna need some new NSA shift supervisors or something to deal with the so-called technical glitches.  Of course that would never be a problem if the American people had been kept in the dark about this as the President intended.

RM
Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:38:39 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Do you believe there's anything that SHOULD be kept in the dark?
Wednesday, December 21, 2005 10:10:10 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
If the question is do I think the government can't keep secrets related to national security the answer is no. I take it for a given, although ex-Sen. Moynihan who was on the Senate Intelligence Committee for years noted that probably 90% of the information that is classified probably doesn't need to be. I was reminded of this yesterday talking to a guy who used to work for military intelligence who joked about how they would write up silly memos making fun of their boss and then took the top secret stamps they had on their desks, stamped the memos and passed them on to be filed in their archive.
Are there are all manners of secrets that you and I won't know about, sure, however I do object to ignoring the law and all manner of oversight governing the collection of those secrets. I especially object to the President giving himself carte blanche in my name to secretly violate his oath of office and avoid the many checks and balances built into our Constitutional system.
Friday, December 23, 2005 2:36:20 AM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
The argument is crap. The government has had the legal ability to tap the phones of anyone they want with court order since 1978. The terrorists knew this from the get go. We aren't revealing a damn thing here. Had Bush gone to that court and followed the law, there'd be no need for this discussion. J. Scott, I know a person who works presenting cases before that court. It has denied precisely 4 out of 19,000 warrants. 4. There was no reason to do what Bush did, other than total arrogance. Almost everything you hear coming out of the mouths of the Administration on this issue is an outright lie. I took a great class in law school called National Security Law. He has no legal basis for his position. None. Its all lies. All of it. He's in Richard Nixon territory now.
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