Tuesday, September 27, 2005
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Don't believe it?  Read Saalam Pax:

Thinks have reached another record low, whole districts in Baghdad are under the insurgent’s control and the promises the Shia Coalition came to power with, the promise of security and stability are now as tattered as their posters that are still glued to the walls from the last elections. New posters of smiling political clerics are also up but these smiling faces look down at us like they are amused at the joke of a government they have created.

Districts like Ameriyah have become Jihadi Central. After they blew up all the clothes shops there they started blowing up grocery shops and now they have moved on to shops selling watches. Very symbolic isn’t it? Time stops HERE.

A couple of weeks ago I told you about my mother’s cousin who was abducted and held for ransom. He was released around a week ago. His advice for my mother’s family was: change your name. He talks about a highly organized group of Sunni extremists with lists of names, some to kill, some to squeeze for money. He came out a deeply shaken man, he is convinced this is sectarian war. His abductors were a group of young, very devout Sunni Muslims who see this as Jihad. They have people who provide them with information and names and these youngsters do the dirty work.


Yes there is stability in some regions in Iraq but that is either in Kurdistan, for all intents and purposes a separate country, and in the Shia regions controlled by SCIRI’s militia. The rest of the country is on fire. And depending on how you define civil war we are either in the middle of it or five minutes away from it.

We are at our most divided. And it is at this point in our history we write a constitution. Well hurray for us. A constitution written by the powerful two groups (Shia and Kurd) catering for their wishes and whims while the rest of the population is left with table scraps and hopes that the we will be able to make it better in the future.

Either the Sunnis or the Iranian Republican Guards will control Iraq.  That's why arguments against permanent bases in Iraq are nonsense--there's no way we can do it.

RW
Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:15:25 AM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)  #    Disclaimer  |  Comments [10]  |  Trackback
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Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:28:26 PM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
So since you marched last weekend, I suppose you advocate withdrawing our forces thus precipitating descent into sectarian civil war or Iranian invasion.
M
Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:01:05 PM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
Ahh the old false dichotomy. Almost everyone I talked to at the march said the same thing--we can't get out of there right away, but we have to start to do it as soon as possible. There might be three people saying we should literally pack up tommorow. But of course it serves your purposes to argue that we are advocating for the extreme stupid measure. Its called a rhetorical fallacy. Its cheap. Hmmmm what's this on my desk from NCBE?
heh just kidding.
Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:14:25 PM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
"There might be three people saying we should literally pack up tommorow."

Many of the speakers at the event were for immediate withdrawal, at least the ones I saw on C-Span. Cindy Sheehan is for immediate withdrawal. I heard the word "now" a lot, as to when the troops should come home. I'm glad you have a broader view of the subject, but it wasn't shared by ANSWER, et al...
Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:17:15 PM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
Just another example of the consequences of the failed foreign policy of the US. Bush's policy seems not to be the service of American interests or national defense, but rather a global crusade and international offense. Despite what Bushy thinks, we cannot just install a democracy in a land and culture totally different from our own.

...But hey, "we're turning a corner."
Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:54:14 AM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
We cannot install a democracy until we beat the fascist threat of the Baathists and Jihadists. It is noble, it is right. The culture, Fitz, the majority of it, wants democracy. The sunnis are a minority and those who engage in fighting to retain their apartheid-like rule are a minority within the minority. It's an insult to all Iraqis, especially where real progress has been made in the north and in the marshes, to expect that they can't handle Democracy because of their "culture".
Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:04:19 AM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
Looks like we picked Iranian style Shia theocracy to beat those "facists." BTW they aren't facists at all. Jihadis are an even worse brand of the theocracy which is taking over Iraq. The Baathists are old-line "ethnic authoritarian state socialists--a hard-line cult of personality without the proletarianist viewpoint.
Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:00:10 PM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
RW, the baathist regime was a fascist regime. "ethic authoritarian state socialists", sounds like fascism to me. The jihadists, in my opinion, are islamofascists. They're all cut from the same cloth.
Thursday, September 29, 2005 7:48:27 PM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
No, Scott. I reject the "it was right, it was just," argument. When war is involved moral justifications don't (or shouldn't) hold merit. I would much rather have a war for the DEfense of America than war waged because it's the right thing to do (becuase it make us feel good).

I blame Congress as much, if not more so, than Bush for this war. Without a formal Declaration of War from Congress, as required by that pesky little thing called the Constitution (Article I, Section 8), the war loses a significant amount of legitimacy. Typically, wars waged without a Congressional Declaration end up being waged poorly and/or do not enjoy vast domestic support.
Friday, September 30, 2005 9:05:42 PM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
I would much rather have a war for the DEfense of America than war waged because it's the right thing to do (becuase it make us feel good).

And Hitler would be retiring today in a celebration in London...in Fitz' "I would much rather..." world.
Friday, September 30, 2005 9:07:53 PM (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
...south Korea would be communist. Serbs would have massacred millions more muslims. Saddam would still be in Kuwait. Yeah, well I reject your "rather", I wouldn't rather that at all.
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